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Hi!
I am one of the organisers for the Swedish Juggling Convention, SJC 2020. This is a yearly event where jugglers from both Sweden and other countries gather, juggle and in general have a ton of fun. We also view ourselves as a circus convention and welcome any and all circus disciplines. This year we have really invested in other circus disciplines besides juggling and really hope that as many circus disciplines as possible will be represented at the convention. We will have a practice gym with aerial acrobatics and we will have both aerial acrobats and handstand-artists in the gala show and who also will give awesome workshops on top of that. This year the convention will take place on the easter weekend, 10-13 april in Gävle. We have an awesome lineup to the gala show and workshops, including Wes Peden, Lauri Koskinen and Luke Burrage.
It is going to be a lot of fun, something you shouldn't miss, see more info in the event:
https://www.facebook.com/events/712022409291160/
The website http://svenskjonglering.se will be updated shortly with information also for those who are not a fan of Facebook. :)
hi there fellow jugglers!
I've been training 7b for the last few months. I feel currently at the edge of pulling it off. and I was wondering how long it took other people to get it.
so here, my first poll. hope i make it right...
How long it took you to qualify 7 balls?
This is a competition thread which ran from 6th Mar 2018 to 13th Mar 2018. View results.
Mike Moore - - Genitore #
From what reference?
From when I started juggling? From when I started trying 7b?
Daniel Simu - - Genitore #
Qualifying 7 balls usually takes me about 4.5 seconds..
yeah, i guess i mean time you spent really focused on it.
I've been training allmost exclusevely for 7b this last 2 months, maybe I tried throwing 7 before, but never like this time.
Mike Moore - - Genitore #
Combining an old FB video and JE data...
My first flash: April 21, 2009. I had been working on it hard since the beginning of that month, and less hard since the beginning of the ~year
My first (maybe?) qualify: Aug 26th, 2009. At least, that's when I have 15 catches logged on the JE records page.
I guess I'll vote for a few months then! I recall that was a pretty juggly summer.
Undecided between 2. and 3. I wasn't juggling regularly at the time, only when the weather was nice in summers and not even always then.
I remember endlessly going for a whole launch \flash, then later being round a few rethrows like upto 11 for a long time, and again a long time to to get all balls not only rethrown once but also caught. I think, 3. comes closest.
I haven't been as fast a learner, as I always thought I were, but being wrong on that kept me going enthusiastically :o) and now I'm looking foreward to knockin' on worldclass'sses door by doing a 7b all up 180° prospectively in a few decades only, you know.
James Hennigan - - Genitore #
The gap between my first 7b flash and my first 7b qualify was almost a year (305 days). I wasn't working on it at the time though. All of my attention was on my 6 ball patterns.
I never was that interested in learning 7 balls. I had this idea that I wanted to master a number before going to the next. Mastering, for me, was 500 catches, and I'm not there with 6 yet. :P After a few years I tried flash 7 and got it within not that many tries on a train station, I remember. :P Now I have just below 200 catches with 7 but the qualify took be a few years, I think, since I didn't practice it that much. :)
Don't know if this video has been posted yet, but man! Totally changed my view of club juggling and what's actually possible with an object!
Hah, I had just wondered about mentioning this one here myself. Wonderful stuff. I especially liked the magnetic (not sure it wasn't rather more low tech) elbows!
lukeburrage - - Genitore #
Yeah, the elbow clubs are stuck on using magnets. In one shot he catches a club there. If they were just attached using a Willy-fake-balance-style fixture, they would be either attached or not.
pumpkineater23 - - Genitore #
Not sure that I'm that keen on the magnetic side but the club juggling was stunning - Wowza!
Daniel Simu - - Genitore #
Insane
Just wanted to say hi as I'm new to The Juggling Edge! I will use this to keep track of my practice time and to use the forum of course! I'm currently working on 6-8 balls when it comes to numbers endurance and hoping to accomplish a 9 ball flash pretty soon, by next spring or so. I also have worked more on 5 ball siteswaps lately and also routines.
As you probably can tell by now I almost only juggle balls. But sometimes I do juggle clubs and rings too, but I'm not too good at it... Maybe because I don't practice it enough :)
I have juggled more frequently for a little more than one and a half year, but the 3 ball cascade I learned for maybe 5 years ago or so.
/Oscar
Mike Moore - - Genitore #
"As you probably can tell by now I almost only juggle balls."
That's what I like to hear! Welcome to the Edge.
I juggle with lots of different things & I find that propist.
Hi Oscar welcome aboard & great to see another addition to the practise logs section.
pumpkineater23 - - Genitore #
Hey hello Oscar
Hi & welcome Oscar, .. "5b siteswaps and 9b flash in prospect after 1½ / 5 years" .. I'm already impressed!
Welcome! Always nice to find a fellow swede who juggles that I didn't knew about. :) If you have any questions about juggling in Sweden or Scandinavia, don't hesitate to ask. :)
Oscar Lindberg - - Genitore #
Awesome, thanks!!
My act from our midways production 2013 at AFUK. :)
https://youtu.be/7x_6Lb15aUM
Owen Greenaway - - Genitore #
Thanks for posting that, I really enjoyed it. I did find it slightly odd that you decided to spend the first 90 seconds (a quarter of the act) slowly walking and stacking props. I must admit I found that part rather boring and superfluous. I thought the balance was awesome but again didn't understand why you slowly laid down the props and then had to walk all the way across the stage to pick up the balls. Were there technical reasons why you couldn't just put the props down and have the balls set up in front of you? The rest of it was lovely.
Little Paul - - Genitore #
I have a bit of a problem with people starting their act by carrying all their props on stage and then carefully laying them out. In my view if you need props laid out in a certain way, that's what stage crew are for. Let me watch the compère while the crew lay out the equipment, so when you come on stage I can watch you juggle.
There was only one trick in the first 2 minutes of the act. It was a bloody good combination trick, but by that point I was itching for something to happen.
I didn't understand carefully laying down the props at the end of the combination trick either, it felt like they were laid out in a special configuration to set up a trick later in the routine - a trick which unfortunately never materialized.
The juggling section was very nice though, and I really appreciated the face balance on the rolabola as I know full well how much of a headfuck that is to get working :)
There seems to be a modern aversion to things like prop stands and dump boxes, but I think in this case a dump box which doubled as a rolabola base would have tightened things up significantly.
YMMV etc, I'm just a bloke on the internet, I don't get a lot of the "art" claptrap that thrives in circus schools ;)
Thanks for your input! The reason for the slow walking and everything like that is new circus. AFUK is a new circus school and focuses a lot more on the artistic and scenic part the performance then on the technique. I was trying to achieve some sort of theatrical effect but it's bloody hard. :)
I've always been that kind of juggler who has his props all laid out in front of him and then go through them one by one, but since I attended that particular school, I was trying to change it and build an atmosphere more than showing off my tricks.
My idea of that performance was a bit unclear for myself but in the version I play now, I don't even have music and play a lot more on the audience in different way but essentially the same tricks. I'm thinking of developing this version of the act also to make it more interesting to watch but we'll see when I get around to it. :)
I agree that the carefully placement of the objects after the first combo trick looks rather weird and in my version now I just drop them. :P
I liked the juggling especially the combo tricks, but I also didn't like the set up. I couldn't see any reason why you were moving slowly which was incongruous with the speed you moved at during the ball juggling section. I didn't pick up any character or story from it.
I hope AFUK aren't teaching that moody moving slow=artistic new circus.
For a good example of slow movement in a circus act there is an adagio act in Cirque Du Soleil's Quidam (For anyone that doesn't know, adagio is a style of acrobalance where 2 or more performers transition between balances in a slow & controlled manner). The performers are decked out from head to toe in grey body paint, their hair is plastered & they wear grey toga-esque costumes, every step is taken very slowly & accompanied by a massive booming footstep sound effect. The look, the sound & the way they move all combine to create the impression that the characters on stage are colossal statues. Everything about the act is geared towards making the audience believe a fantasy.
Little Paul - - Genitore #
I hope AFUK aren't teaching that moody moving slow=artistic new circus.
If they are, they'd be in plenty of company.
Judging by a lot of the graduation shows I've seen over the years Circus Space (or whatever they're called these days) and Circomedia have been teaching angsty-poderous-movement-as-art for decades now. I blame the aerialists :P
I'm not against movement or story telling (or even carefully arranged props on the floor) in circus by any means, but I do like all movements and prop placements to have a purpose. Whether that purpose is to reinforce a character, or get the performer from one prop/trick to another.
I think that's why the breakdown of the combination trick didn't work for me, it had the appearance of purpose but with out that potential being filled.
God I can't half waffle on about bollocks.
Owen Greenaway - - Genitore #
I'm not against movement or story telling (or even carefully arranged props on the floor) in circus by any means, but I do like all movements and prop placements to have a purpose. Whether that purpose is to reinforce a character, or get the performer from one prop/trick to another.
I agree with this and hopefully when you've improved the act this is what you have changed. Any chance we could see a video of the new version?
Thanks all for the discussion and the suggestions! Unfortunately I don't have an updated version but I will work on it more and film it again when I have the chance. Next time I'm booked with that act is in late August but I will probably perform it before as well. :)
God I can't half waffle on about bollocks.
...& that is what the Edge is all about!
I recently came across this piece that is a great demonstration of using movement to create effect so here seems as good a place to drop this as any:
https://youtu.be/JItkRLVlf-c
It's a ballet piece but not much over a minute long so give it a go!
Little Paul - - Genitore #
I like that, and had I not seen the title - but been asked to speculate what was being represented... I think I'd have guessed right. Which I think means she hit the target. :)
Little Paul - - Genitore #
Glad you agreed on the combination trick.
I think just dropping them is probably quite a satisfying approach from a tension-release POV. The combination trick creates a sense of tension, discarding the props in a quick movement releases that tension, drawing quite a nice line under that section.
I said something about purpose somewhere in this thread, and I think your setup with the clubs are a good example of what I meant. The way you laid them out on the rolabola set you up for step/scissor catch, the arrangement had purpose (in a way some of the other props didn't).
Although it feels a bit like a missed opportunity having 5 clubs in the setup and only using one of them in a special manner. It's the sort of detail I'd end up sinking hours of time into working out, but some arrangement which means you pick up two, kick up two, and stamp/scissor catch the 5th would be a really nice touch.
But yeah, my half formed idea is half formed :)
Anyway, yes, I think you can be justifiably happy with that act - especially if you've already worked on it and moved it on. How did the circus school like it? Did they give you any feedback? I'd be interested to hear what they thought.
I agree with the tension that is building up but not released and it's a really good thing you pointed it out.
Hmm. Interesting! I will try to find different ways for this since I don't like the pickup of 4 clubs in the same way either. Maybe kickups would be a good way to to something more interesting with it. I will work on it! Thanks! :)
Good to hear! They liked it a lot but the things they asked me to work on was for instance that pick up of 5 clubs and then just run through it and really think over each part. The ball juggling segment they were not as fan of as I, since it was improvised and different each time. Now I have a set ball part which I hope is more interesting then this one each time and not sometimes. :)
What is the trick at 0:45?
https://youtu.be/H8-5DheNkzE
The only other person I've seen do it is Sean McKinney. I want to learn it!
It's a one sided mills mess (sometimes referred to as flo's mess) where the top hand catches claw style and the bottom hand catches every other throw penguin style.
Don't know the name, but I liked it so much that I learned it from this video many years ago. :)
That's awesome. I wish I could do that.
I just can't seen to 'learn' any tricks with crossing arms unless they are broken down (throws, slow-mo, etc.)... It took me so long to learn Mills Mess and I learned Boston way before that because it seemed simpler to me. Once I get where the throws are going and coming from, it's easy. But it's a curse. It's why to this day I don't understand Rubenstein's.
Really excited about this. My twin brother, Scott Cain, has written his first article for eJuggle Magazine, and it's really great. It's about juggling legend Trixie and features tons of new pictures and TWO NEW VIDEOS of her that you'll definitely want to see. It also has lots of new information about Trixie. Please check it out.
http://ezine.juggle.org/2015/02/13/trixie-a-juggling-legend-spinning-through-history/
David Cain
Little Paul - - Genitore #
I enjoyed that, and the tip about the icecapades programs is a good one.
Anyone have one of those magic tips that suddenly makes spinning two balls on top of each other like 10 times simpler? Anything from placement of elbow to where to look.
Little Paul - - Genitore #
Look at the contact point between the two balls.
The drop/spin on the top ball is all a matter of personal taste.
When you said "magic tips", I was imagining some object that you wear on the end of your finger.
Anyone got any of those?! :-)
Little Paul - - Genitore #
Sean Blue uses false fingernails which are cut to shape to allow him to do his 3 stageballs in one hand curl thing.
Which isn't so much "magic" as it is "impossible witchcraft!"
I tried to demonstrate 7 balls at Toby's request, but embarrassingly I couldn't juggle for toffee last night. I managed a few qualifying runs but nothing pretty. Later in the evening I picked up 7 balls again & tried to get something worthwhile going unsuccessfully for about 10 minutes. I was just about to throw in the towel but thought I'd make one last attempt before the end of the night, given past form I wasn't expecting much so I didn't bother counting. Which was a shame because my last run went on, & on, & on... I easily broke my previous personal best of 62 catches, by a long way. I've got a horrible feeling that I might have broken the 100 catch barrier. But I'll never know :(
#twjc
FOOTAGE REQUESTED!
Okay... I've been looking on the net for footage of Bobby May and the only thing I could find was the short "The Juggling Fool". Does anyone know where I can watch some more of him?
Also, his cigarette trick... I also found a video of Barnaby doing it - has anyone else ever filmed themselves doing it? Any footage of ANYONE doing that trick would be awesome.
And while I'm at it, does anyone have video of Yngve Sveldon doing his 6 ball stuff?
Little Paul - - Genitore #
Buy yourself a copy of https://www.dube.com/touchscreen/videos.php?c=documentaries&v=x2592&search=
I recommend buying it from dube, as that'll wind up Dick Franco (who claims to control the rights on all footage of Bobby May) the most.
Little Paul - - Genitore #
https://juggler.com/other-stuff/dick-franco (for background)
Ah.... I see now. Well that sucks. But the DVD is worth it to me, so I'll pick it up. Any knowledge on the cigarette trick and if anyone else has ever performed or practiced it?
2:28 ...
http://juggling.tv/680
THANK. YOU. So there it is. The 3rd person I have ever seen do it. I love that I can see what is going on. Let me know guys... Is that it?
mike.armstrong - - Genitore #
Mark Faje performed it on the Renegade Stage at the 2004 IJA, probably with a scorpion down his pants
mike.armstrong - - Genitore #
I saw him do the cigarette trick, and I saw him put a scorpion down his kecks and do a trick...but it was 11 years ago so I can't promise that the scorpion was involved in the cigarette trick!
Wow... So that's 4 people... I assume this trick is less exclusive than I thought?
Little Paul - - Genitore #
I cold have sworn Tom Mulica started his cigarette routine with it, but it seems not. As a routine, it's worth watching anyway
https://youtu.be/GCm4r0F0tts
Love that routine! He said in an interview once that he couldn't practice that routine other then on stage, because it hurt so much so he needed the adrenalin. :)
Daniel Simu - - Genitore #
haha, good story!
I am glad I skipped the video back to see where he threw out the cigarettes, I can sleep better knowing that he did not eat those...
Daniel Simu - - Genitore #
The whole DVD was on vimeo for a few months, which allowed me to see it... Until some dick forced it offline. I wonder who that was...
Little Paul - - Genitore #
I've not seen most of that before, thanks for sharing :)
That link isn't working or embedding for me. So for anyone else, try 32secs into...
https://youtu.be/ptyk9XS1LQg
No footage, but apparently Tirko did the cigarette trick on stage, as well.
https://s155995802.onlinehome.us/tirko.pdf
Article also mentions May and Le Dent.
Daniel Simu - - Genitore #
And we have another cigarette trick, but without cigarette, by our own gentleman Olivier :D
Fbook link: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10206375160954179&pnref=story
Vince Bruce - greatest lasso/whips act ever, for my money - does the cigarette trick, then whips the cigarette out of his own mouth!
https://www.youtube.com/v/DH_MUNEmBws
Cigarette trick is at 4:45
Other highlights: Texas skip through small loop at 2:52, whip percussion at 6:45
That act is amazing! All of it is a highlight! So many tricks I've never seen before! Every sentence in this post ends with an exclamation mark!
Little Paul - - Genitore #
Everything Orin said!
With added "barnesy, you need to watch this if you haven't already!"
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